[img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]We all do sometimes, I saw a lot messed up folks come back from Nam and you can't save people who don't want to be saved. Our troops excell at their job, but I just don't like the timetable/goals . If we are looking for WMDs , and we lost track of them- say they are in another country, our own borders aren't closed, what makes them any safer? And we don't train folks to live and function in the middle east.